Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Archnaphobia (truck)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus, defaulting to keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 06:45, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Archnaphobia (truck)

It's a truck. An individual vehicle. Yes, I realise that it is part of a project concerning the United States Hot Rod Association. But any way you look at it, individual vehicles are not notable. Makes, models, types yes, but not one single vehicle. Do we want articles for every show-jumping horse or every dog at crufts? There are lots more of these, but I'm only nominating one to see what the consensus is. I say delete the truckcruft. --Aoratos 23:34, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom, non-notable truck, we don't need to clutter wikipedia with this source of thing, what next, every dog that ever entered an truck show. I don't think so. Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 23:53, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: We've been through this once before with Avenger (truck). Decision was Keep and the discussion can be found Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Avenger_(truck). A vast majority of these trucks are viewed by large numbers of people in the US and worldwide. This particular truck races on the Monster Jam circuit, which sold more than 3.5 million tickets last year alone, and that does not count TV viewership. I do agree with Aoratos that these trucks need to better explain their notability, although I think the Monster Jam page does a good job of doing that for them in general and it's not the only circuit. Wikibofh_(talk) 23:56, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: the previous decision was over a year ago, and involved only 5 voters, so I hardly think it is definitive. Yes, 3.5 million tuckets is a lot, but no-one is arguing the circuit is non-encyclopedic, obviously it is. Perhaps a few competitors are - perhaps a combined article on its vehicles, or even a list. But individual articles for each seems waaay over the score? Incidently, how many vehicles are there potentially? --Aoratos 00:01, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment: List of monster trucks contains roughly 50 trucks...I would assume there are some that aren't on that list, and some that might be pruned. Also, after this AfD, one way or the other we need to fix the mis-spelling of the article. I just don't want to do it now and whack out the templates. Wikibofh_(talk) 00:09, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per nom. Truckcruft. Non-encyclopedic. Article creators are encouraged to take a look at Wikia. Bwithh 00:08, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia Wikibofh_(talk) 00:12, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment WIkipedia is an encyclopedia Bwithh 00:17, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    - Comment: Ok, I'll bite (but I'd rather have this discussion on one of our talk pages), what part of WP:NOT do you think these fail? The only one I can see is potentially notability, and the millions in ticket sales and television views seems to me dispel. Wikibofh_(talk) 23:07, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, normally I would agree with the nominator about individual vehicles not being notable, but I think monster trucks would be an exception. People at these events don't walk around wearing Dennis Anderson shirts, they wear Grave Digger ones. Recury 01:08, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Another question is, can these all fill up into articles without becomeing far too crufty. Perhaps they should all be merged into a list (ot the currentlist expanded).--Aoratos 02:04, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Some of them are actually pretty large. The three that come to mind are Grave Digger (truck), Bigfoot (truck) and Maximum Destruction (truck). That being said, I think that some of them can be merged and it is one rationale behind lists. I think some of the inactive, less notable trucks could go into a meatier sublist. Determing which those are is kind of tough, because despite being active with the subject matter, I only have a passing interest in it. Wikibofh_(talk) 03:26, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, such trucks are more than worthy. --badlydrawnjeff talk 13:50, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Why? --Aoratos 14:02, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Monster trucks are more than worthy of articles. --badlydrawnjeff talk 14:07, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Again, why? --Aoratos 22:15, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Your only real argument for deletion is "not notable." Amajor monster truck is certainly notable. No issues. --badlydrawnjeff talk 00:05, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Actually, I'd not say this is not notable (I don't really know), what I'd say is that there is no evidence of notability whatsoever - and so far, no-one has provided any (all you are saying is 'hey this is notable, trust me'). No press reports, no fan sites, no media interest or discussion, no evidence that anyone is interested at all. Google is not encouraging either [1] or [2]. Yes, that's a total of one hit!!! If this were a band with as little evidence of fans, we be deleting it no questions asked. No, it may be that I'm missing something - and I'm happy to be corrected. --Aoratos 07:41, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
As mentioned above, the article title is spelled wrong. Recury 14:56, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: This should be blatantly obvious. Strongly concur with the comment made by Aoratos above this one. --Durin 13:28, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: This trucks article does not even claim to be notable to any degree. The one link with information on it does not even contain an image of it. Unless someone can show some proof of notability I think this article should be deleted. --zero faults ^{|sockpuppets|} 14:27, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Arachnaphobia was made into a Hot Wheels toy, and is a regular competitor on the Monster Jam circuit. To Aoratos' comments above: there are only roughly 100 competitve monster trucks in the world currently. They are vehicles but can also be considered personalities much in the same vein as (I hate to say it) professional wrestlers, of which there are hundreds on Wikipedia of varying notability. While I myself believe some trucks are inherantly unnotable, ones that compete on a regular basis with the largest promoter of monster truck shows in the world should qualify as notable. I just worry that this is a slippery slope that would lead to the deletion of articles like that of Gun Slinger, which, although not a champion, is well known by literally millions of fans in the United States. Arenacale 15:37, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If they are individually notable and popular, why no fan sites? Why can I find no discussion of 'Archnaphobia', not even on bbs? Why no media interest? Why the Google blank? I'd wager I could find all of that on most professional wrestlers. I'm willing to set a fairly low bar on notability, but I see no evidence that this particular truck even gets of the ground. One plastic toy, is that it? My local church badminton team has its own printed mugs. Please supply some evidence of notabilty.--Aoratos 18:17, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Arachnaphobia team website, I suggest looking around at The Monster Blog and Monster-Style for links to more info on trucks. A good portion of what you are missing is because the article was spelt wrong in it's creation, Arachnaphobia is its name, not Archnaphobia. Arenacale 00:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Try searching for "Arachnophobia" and "Monster truck". There's quite a bit of links there. Still, there doesn't seem to be a website dedicated to the truck. The idea of having an article on a particular truck still seems a bit absurd to me. Where we do we stop? Do we include articles on individual NASCAR race cars too? Formula 1 cars? I'd like to see that this truck was used in a number of victories, or at least one particularly noteworthy victory. I don't see any claim that it has. --Durin 19:23, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As to "where do we stop?", I'd like to see some specific guidelines laid out for monster truck notability. Grave Digger and Bigfoot are obvious for their notability (and status in pop culture), but I can see where someone doesn't know much about Eradicator and why exactly it is notable. Unfortunately, Wikibofh and I have been doing most of the work on the Monster Truck articles, and have been somewhat hampered by User:Joeystuff who has been creating new articles that only say "(This truck) is a monster truck on the USHRA circuit." The Archnaphobia (sic) article is one of those, and neither of us have gotten to it yet. Whether or not this article is deleted, I'd like to see some more people helping with the Monster Truck category (maybe start a WikiProject), which would at least allow us to establish agreed upon notability standards and organize the category better.

I'm sorry if that sounds too rant-ish. I don't mean to implicate Joeystuff as being entirely unhelpful, he has started several articles of trucks which are notable that have subsequently been filled in, and he is clearly acting in good faith. Arenacale 00:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We do have articles on individual Formula 1 cars (see Category:Formula One cars) and while we don't on individual NASCAR cars, we do on NASCAR teams, which is sort of the equivalent level. Not that that means we should necessarily keep it, but I'm just saying. Recury 19:47, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Formula 1 cars category. There are some days when I just want to go back to bed. This is one of them :) --Durin 20:23, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.